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Despite B being A, (undesirable results]
A is a high/strong/valued thing, so this phrase is followed by a disappointment in A. B is often words for people (人、方、など)
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議 員 とも あろう 方 が 、 不 正 を 黙 認 為 て 居 た なんて 。 
Despite being a member of parliament, to tolerate wrongdoing…
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先 生 とも あろう 人 が 、 麻 薬 に 手 を 出 す と は 思 え な い 。 
Being a teacher, I cannot imagine that they got involved in narcotics.
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ANoun
ともあろう
BNoun
Basic Examples:
王子とも有ろう方 (despite being a prince)

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Related to たるもの
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Emanny
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Openzeus
Level: 639

I’m having a hard time understanding the application of the grammar to this sentence from a quiz

首相とも あろう 人にお 目めに か か れ る とは光こう栄えいで す 。 It's an honor to be recognized by the Prime Minister.

I checked some other sites and they also seem to include that the second part should be undesirable or not aligned with expectations.

"~のような素晴らしい人が・・・"

話す人が高く評価している人が、ふさわしくない行動をして驚いた、がっかりしたと言いたい時に使います。



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2 years ago
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首相ともあろう人にお目にかかれるとは光う栄です 。

“It is a glorious honor [to be able] to meet someone despite them being prime minister.”

The expectation is that someone like a prime minister would be inaccessible. The fact that the actual situation is not exactly undesirable may give the sentence an ironic twist.

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2 years ago
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jm27937
Level: 1566

The explanation is correct, but I think the "despite" in the header feels awkward, as it would often be structurally unnatural to translate the Japanese examples into English that way. I think the prime minister example above feels odd because most of the examples of ~ともあろう seem to be cases of A being well regarded and B being a disappointing or undesirable outcome. However, ~ともあろう is more broadly used to express surprise or disappointment in light of how the subject is regarded: that is, despite my expectation of A, B resulted. A is often, but not necessarily, a person, group, or position of high status, respect, or responsibility, while B expresses a surprising or undesirable outcome. The key is really the contrast with the expectation set by A’s standing. A doesn't have to be positive and B doesn't have to be negative. For example, 彼女ともあろう人が、こんなに寛大な対応をしてくれるなんて、さすがだね。(It's impressive that she, of all people, would respond so generously.) In this case, the expectation of A is negative, and B is contrary to expectations but positive.

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1 year ago


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