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ます/ません
1. Polite, present form of verb A
今日            
Today, I cannot attend the meeting.
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Level: 1
There is a way to tell some of the ichidan and godan verbs apart.

If the verb ends in -る and the sound that precedes it is either あ、お、or う, then it is always a godan verb (-うverb).

(Example):

やる y/aru = godan verb (○ やります | × やます)
つまる tsum/aru = godan verb (○ つまります | × つます)

ほる h/oru = godan verb (○ のります | × のます)
のぼる nob/oru = godan verb (○ のぼります | × のぼます)

ぬる n/uru = godan verb (○ ぬります | × ぬます)
つる ts/uru = godan verb (○ つります | × つます)

If the verb ends in -る and the sound that precedes it is either い or え, then those are the ones that you have to memorize as they could either be a ichidan or godan verb.

EDIT: Forgot that I could just add it to the usage note. Been so long hahah
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fareastfurfaro
Level: 1
Never knew that, interesting!
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マイコー
Level: 283
Thanks - I went ahead and added it into the actual explanation since it's a direct correction to information already in there.
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warun
Level: 1
are する and くる godan verbs? the vowel sound preceding る is う. Or did I misinterpret something? Call me dumb but I'm just confused since it was written under ichidan.
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マイコー
Level: 283
する and くる are best thought of as CRAZY verbs. Or, put another way, する is its own verb type, and くる is its own verb type. They follow their own rules, and should not be grouped with anything else when it comes to usage rules.
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warun
Level: 1
ah, it makes sense now.
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Karlla
Level: 892
Maybe it's just my imagination... but I realized, that verbs where the kanji is followed by two (or more) kana are ichidan. ex.: びる(の.びる) える(か.える) せる(み.せる) める(と.める) べる(た.べる) える(こた.える) れる(わす.れる) まれる(う.まれる) The potential forms of verbs, which has an e-stem, also has an ichidan conjugation: む(よ.む godan)--->める(よ.める potential, ichidan) If the kanji of a 3(or more?)-syllable verb is followed by only る it is usually godan. ex.: る(かえ.る) る(まい.る) る(すべ.る) With this only 2-syllable verbs are still troublesome.
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mysticfive
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Unfortunately that doesn't always work. for example, with the transitive verbs that you listed, there is always an intransitive pair that goes with it that also has 2 and those verbs are not 1: so in the order you gave, ばす、わる、まる all are 5 verbs
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Karlla
Level: 892
Ah... I understand what you mean, but the verbs you listed are [i]obviously[/i] 5. I didn't think, I had to point it out since it was clearly explained in the grammar section. Only verbs that end on ~る with a preceding i-sound or e-sound syllable could technically be 1. I was referring to only this group of verbs where it is actually difficult to tell 1 verbs apart from 5 verbs. I hope I have expressed myself more clearly now.(^_^; Do you still see a problem there?
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めぐ___
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I just want to thank you so much for this good lesson and for the good explanation I really love this app so much and it's very helpful

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ubaTaeCJ
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Karlla は 049, 13:59に
Maybe it's just my imagination... but I realized, that verbs where the kanji is followed by two (or more) kana are ichidan. ex.: びる(の.びる) える(か.える) せる(み.せる) める(と.める) べる(た.べる) える(こた.える) れる(わす.れる) まれる(う.まれる) The potential forms of verbs, which has an e-stem, also has an ichidan conjugation: む(よ.む godan)--->める(よ.める potential, ichidan) If the kanji of a 3(or more?)-syllable verb is followed by only る it is usually godan. ex.: る(かえ.る) る(まい.る) る(すべ.る) With this only 2-syllable verbs are still troublesome.

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マイコー
Level: 283

Unfortunately not. Just queried renshuu's database, there are roughly 1,000 godan verbs that match that pattern. まる(しまる) is a good example.

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Karlla
Level: 892

A few posts up mysticfive pointed out the same thing, and I already clarified my thoughts on that. So here I go again...

We all know by now that (kuru and suru aside) all ru-verbs with a-, o- and u-stems are godan verbs. I wished to apply my observation only to the verbs with i- or e-stems, where it is sometimes unclear whether or not they are godan or ichdan.

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