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Present (Non-past) Casual
1. Casual, present (non-past) positive form of A
         
He eats bread.
2. Casual, present (non-past) negative form of A
                 
The child is sick and won't go to school.
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fareastfurfaro
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I think く should be かかない instead of かきない in the example.
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マイコー
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Whoops, thanks for catching the typo!
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KOol
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13 years ago
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フラン
Level: 1

There is another exception for the negatives: ある becomes ない

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8 years ago
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マイコー
Level: 281

Added it!

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8 years ago
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Not sure if this belongs here, but a grammar quiz question (about casual present negative) had "べられない" for "I can't eat [any more]". Is this correct? The internet says this might be a form that means "to be inedible"? Was this a goof in a user sentence?

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7 years ago
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マイコー
Level: 281

It's a sentence that is probably a bit too high level for that quiz. It is not only this form, but also the potential form べられる - which means "to be able to eat/can eat" - so it does mean "can't eat", or "unable to eat" - it could mean that it is inedible, or perhaps something you cannot eat because of a personal choice or an allergy.


That being said, we are currently making a brand new batch of N5 quiz questions to better fit the difficulty level in the actual N5 test.

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デニクス
Level: 62

not sure if it belongs here but the lesson teaching about the casual form also mentioned だ and です.

regarding い adjectives it says that both です and だ *can* be dropped. This sounds misleading to me as all other sources I have seen say that it is wrong to couple い adjectives with だ since the い adjective already includes the "to be". です on the other hand is added purely to show politeness in this case and adds no meaning.

am I misinformed about this topic or is the explanation here shaky?

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… say that it is wrong to couple い adjectives with だ since the い adjective already includes the "to be".

I would phrase this slightly differently. Since 形容詞 (い-adjectives) inflect, they are capable of embedding the copula, but that doesn’t mean that they must always embed the copula. The way I see it, appending です or だ effectively steals the copula, perhaps by inserting a null pronoun after the adjective and converting it from a phrasal adjective to a noun modifying adjective. This may be a recent shift in usage.

For things like job interviews and classroom lessons, you are probably better off sticking with standard usage, but don’t be surprised if you hear non-standard variants on the street.

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デニクス
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For things like job interviews and classroom lessons, you are probably better off sticking with standard usage

I am trying to understand the standard usage. That in real life だ, です and other stuff can be dropped for all sorts of reasons aside:

Isn't there a difference between だ and です regarding い-ajectives?

おいしいです。(polite)

おいしい。(informal)

or would you say おいしいだ。sounds completely natural? I am under the impression that it's techniqually wrong like おいしいでした。instead of おいしかったです。

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おいしいだ sounds wrong, probably because the だ is superfluous. It’s not changing the tense or the politeness. It’s just redundant.

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