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Hi all,

Recently I've been looking on some verb conjugations, and I saw that the ざる form has no link. Could someone please explain to me how did the ざる form work kao_yoroshiku.png?

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1 month ago
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柳 ぱぶ郎
Level: 209

You mean -ざる as a verbal suffix (and not a godan verb that happens to end in ざる) ?

(can you tell us the full sentence where it appears?)

It's actually a form of a classical japanese verb helper; as such you won't get conjugation tables for it on sites that focus on modern japanese, where it will just be treated as a fixed set suffix (that is how it appears on renshuu.org dictionnary: ざる );

If you want to go down the rabbit hole, however, you can look at : The Auxiliary Verb -ず

(so, ざり helper verb, of which ざる is a form, comes from ず+あり)

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1 month ago
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むじな
Level: 903

I know this isn't really what you were asking, but I can't resist mentioning this bit of trivia: the -ざる conjugation is what gave us the "three wise monkeys" of "see no evil" (見ざる), "hear no evil" (聞かざる), and "speak no evil" (言わざる). Because it sounds like a sonorised version of 猿(さる)​!

I guess dad jokes have been around since forever...

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1 month ago
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柳 ぱぶ郎
Level: 209

talking about those kind of jokes... I just now saw 蟻が10匹(ありがじゅっぴき)​, ooh, wonderful, soo funny (www).

(If you didn't got it : ありがとう (有難う, thanks), read as 蟻が十 (ありがとう, ten ants), then changed to use the proper counter for ants 蟻が十匹 (ありがじゅっぴき)).

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1 month ago
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pup72
Level: 1572

and then there's:

見ざる 言わざる * 着飾る*

translation: see no evil, speak no evil, wear a nice dress

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1 month ago
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むじな
Level: 903

Thank you, @pup32 , now the three monkeys are all dressed up in my mind. Tuxedo with a ridiculous amount of rhinestones (think Liberace), a goth loli dress with platforms, and a slinky sequined one with stilettos and an ostrich feather hat. There goes Confucianism out the window... kao_joy.png

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1 month ago
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