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Karlla
Level: 910

Can someone please explain to me what the difference between these two options is?

And maybe also how "location" comes into play here?

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The first one refers to a "quality" or "feeling", e.g. 甘み / 苦み or 温かみ. "also written with the ateji " (from Jisho).

The second one refers to things like 高み or 低み, which are "places" / "locations".


I'm not sure exactly why they're separate, but that's the difference.


Edit: I mean... I guess technically they aren't the same ~み kao_question.png

Jisho tends to get updated a lot more (both usually pull from JMdict), so this might be more accurate?

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The "weakness" / "deepness" part is pretty confusing... feels like it should maybe be grouped with #1 ?

I guess you could say みをむ, where 弱み *is* different than something like 甘み? It's a more concrete "thing", whereas み is just a quality?

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Karlla
Level: 910

Thanks for the clarification (although it's still rather unclear to me). The way it is split here on renshuu is very confusing.


On a tangent, I've always understood み as an "emotional" nominalizer and さ as a more "objective" one. So み = depth (e.g. in the meaning of a poem or the character of a person) さ = physical, measurable depth. So I don't fully grasp how み etc. pertain to "location".

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Karlla (084, 7:25)

I've always understood み as an "emotional" nominalizer and さ as a more "objective" one.

​That works in a lot of case, but is an oversimplification that breaks down quite easily. み is simply the "sweetness" of food, nothing "emotional" about it. さ is similar, but the difference is that み is the general concept of "sweetness", while さ is the "degree" of sweetness.


How does み pertain to "location"? That's actually its original meaning, "a high place". A "high place" IS a physical location. み in something like 高みの見物 very much refers to a physical place, even though the expression is usually metaphorical.

And then 高さ is basically the degree/amount of being "high" or "tall".


み」: むこと、んでいるにあること = Pain, in a state of pain
さ」: どれだけんでいるかの = A state indicating how much pain, an amount

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So み refers to the phenomenon itself, while さ treats "painful" as a scale. Does that make sense?


PS: I think the "emotional vs objective" distinction is more of a byproduct. Many ~み nouns are also used metaphorically, so they can feel more subjective, but that comes from the base adjective and the nuance of ~み, not from ~み itself being "emotional".

Something like a みショートボブ (hairstyle) is far from anything "emotional" or "subjective", or a feeling at all. It's just a quality/aspect that something possesses.

Note that the secondary meaning of 丸み is a metaphorical extension built on top of the literal one.

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#のキツネ
Level: 13

If its been ages and youve forgotten basicly everything i would restart but otherwise see if you still know enough to keep going

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火のキツネ (084, 13:12)

If its been ages and youve forgotten basicly everything i would restart but otherwise see if you still know enough to keep going

​I think you meant to reply to the "coming back to learn after a while, should I restart?" topic not this one kao_question.png

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