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マイコー
Level: 333
So, I rolled into this extension so much that I did not consider a major case, and am now at a huge loss as to what to do about it.

So, the entire extension done over the last couple of days is this:

When doing definition (or listening) to kana questions, show the kanji as well for context. So, my test example was /かんじ.

Previously, if I knew one of the kanji, it would show me that kanji, with kana for the other one. Something like じ. However, with the change, it now shows , with furigana over the . Similarly, if I didn't know either kanji, it would still show me , but with furigana over both.

However, with the fix I made above (furigana showing even for known kanji), a new issue appeared. Say I know both kanji (characters) for . The answer would show as above. It's no longer a definition -> hiragana question! The hiragana is completely absent on two of the characters.

This is no longer the question type (or study vector, if we're doing schedules) that was requested. It's more of a blend, and that is not desired here. Perhaps a new question type in the future, but not now.


So, for now, I rolled back the earlier fix to hide known furigana while this is discussed.

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1 day ago
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KM323
Level: 233

Huh, I didn't notice that was happening when I was studying today, though I've been learning kanji recently, and doing more kanji questions, plus I use "tap to reveal choices".

In my opinion, kana questions shouldn't use kanji for any of the answers, like it is with this setting off. I think you should see the words kana only, which I'm just now realizing is how this feature worked before, haha

I don't study both vectors separately, I use the combined "meaning -> japanese" study vector, so if I see a kana selection question, it's most likely a kana-only word anyway, moreso as my kanji coverage expands. That also means that if my selections are three words with kanji, and one kana-only word, it kind of betrays the correct answer.

My use case for this feature is so that when I learn a word, and only know partial kanji, I see the full word in full kanji, as it would be written in the wild, rather than some kanji/kana combination that no native speaker would ever write. Essentially I want to see this:

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But nothing like this:

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so that I get a better feel for what the word looks like for real (and pick up some recognition along the way for when I actually study the missing kanji!)

If some people want kanji + furigana in the kana questions, perhaps you could split the option?

Disabled | Furigana for Kanji Answers | Kanji + Furigana for All Answers

And then I guess for the kana questions you would force furigana on for all kanji, and leave it unknown-only for Kanji questions. Or you could make another option selector, but that probably overcomplicates things even more.

That's my take on the issue, hope it helps!

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1 day ago
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KM323
Level: 233

Or better yet, maybe you could separate it into two toggles.

"Show Furigana for Kanji Answers" - Which only applies it to unknown kanji in kanji questions, and could get rolled into the "Show unknown kanji like this" setting at some point.

"Show kanji+Furigana in Kana Answers" - Which acts as it is right now for the kana questions

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1 day ago
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add the top i have a feature that forces me to write the word again if i had it wrong but now with this feature i have to write the kanji with it extra, even if i have never seen the kanji before.

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1 day ago
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Widdershyn
Level: 690
KM323 (0527, 21:53)

syzygy14 mentioned this early on, but it might have gotten lost due to the more severe issues being fixed first.

It seems to me that furigana is always shown, even for Kanji that is known, instead of just over unknown kanji


I am getting this as well, and while I was unsure if perhaps I misremembered learning those particular readings for the kanji, I knew it for sure when it was giving me furigana for い which is a word I've known for almost a decade at this rate. I verified that renshuu has that kanji marked as known, and even that reading (sent in an error report) but still saw the furigana. It seems to be continuing to show furigana by default for everything though. Relatively minor compared to other issues, but figured you may want to know about it persisting anyways.

Edit: Ah, apologies, I hadn't gotten to the second page yet to see that you rolled back the fix for this, my bad. I do think that you're right, that change would kinda... negate the point of kana questions, if it's using the kanji. Having that as a separate vector can be nice - I have had a bad habit sometimes of getting so used to recognizing the kanji, that I misremember the kana for it in my head. Having that a separate vector helps make sure I don't rely on something like the suggestions/autocorrect when typing to make sure I have the words right.

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マイコー
Level: 333

A new vector is not in the cards at the moment - that's a fairly significant change, and while power users would be able to assimilate it more easily, that would make the study vectors for vocab even more complicated than they are now.

As to the second issue (write to reinforce), that should be working better.

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