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Hello everyone!
I'm scheduled to take the JLPT N4 exam on December 7th and I'm looking for some realistic advice on my current study progress and whether I can make it in time.
I've been using Renshuu (or similar apps/books) to study.
Here is my current status:
My Questions for the Community:
Any honest feedback and encouragement would be greatly appreciated!
Thank you!
I've not been through any of this and it's not goals for me anyway. I'd be roughly equivalent to N5 at this point and barely scratching the surface since I'm not rushing it, but I can understand quite a bit. In this situation if it were me, I'd study all the things. Wouldn't hurt to get into N3 as well. The reason is that I'd want to just fill that time to familiarize myself with everything so I'm prepared. It's not like this is midterms. I'd expect it to be everything.
The reason I have that view is that there's never been a time in my life (outside of Japanese) that I would think it would be a question of what to study. Studying the max is the minimum. You have to know what you're doing, because you'd want to increase your chance to pass, not get stumped. Especially with how people make a big deal of the JLPT and the nature of it. You've got to be on top of your game.
It's fortunate you have half the vocabulary so far. If you know you're behind on kanji, DO keep it up. As for grammar...oh boy! Looking at what Renshuu has alone, you're way behind. This is only considering what you would be studying, as I haven't looked at the amount of proficiency at that. Certainly you'd be able to do that on your own. Beyond that considering all that, I couldn't tell you much. Just do the thing, everything, and do it well.
First thing you should do (in my opinion) is grab a couple past JLPT tests - one N5 and one N4. You can easily find them online. Try the N5 first; if you struggle, passing N4 in December is probably out of the question. If you do well, move on to N4, see where you stand and figure out your strengths and weaknesses.
Given where you're at right now, you'd need to study for a few hours every day to have any real shot at passing. Maybe focus on grammar, 15-20 grammar points is really low, even for N5.
Anyway, try a few practice tests to gauge your level, then just study as much as you can. Not impossible, but very tough.
PS: Keep in mind JLPT scores based on Item Response Theory (IRT), so past tests aren't a prefect predictor, but are still very useful.
~50 days until Dec 7th
1500-500 = 1000 words
300-100 = 200 kanji
N5 63 + N4 137 - 20 = 180 grammar expressions
Average terms reached to mastery (not just introduced) per day required:
1000/50 = 20 words /day
200/50 = 4 kanji/day
180 / 50 = 3.6 grammar/day
Total: 27.6 terms/day
That doesn't seem realistic to me. Aiming to do well on the N5 exam would be a more realistic prospect.
Stepping aside from what everyone is saying, I would think about what you actually mean by "pass the n4", and what passing will accomplish for you.
A thought exercise - while it is technically possible to pass in that amount of time, this reminds me of I don't know how many students I taught who would cram over a short period of time, "pass" the test, but lose a huge amount of material because it hadn't really sunk into their heads (both the amount of information and the comprehension of said info).
Passing most tests (except for ones tied to, say, a job) mean nothing in and of themselves. If your goal is to get much better at Japanese, then you're goal isn't to pass the test as much as it is to use the test as a stepping stone along your journey.
If that is the case, then the realistic answer is: no, you cannot pass in that amount of time. You will most likely have one of the two occur (if you pass):
1. You forget a huge amount of the materials in the weeks/months after the test. You "passed" it, but it did not help much with your larger goal, and it may even hurt you by demotivating you.
2. You continue to study the N4 materials for a good amount of time after the test because you notice that you have a very loose grasp on it. In this scenario, you didn't really pass anything - you may have a piece of paper saying something, but you most likely will not feel it means anything until much later when you have mastery over those materials.
There's a lot of "maybe", "probably", etc. in the above, as no explanation can cover all learners. But I am going to presume that you want to keep going on with learning, and cramming or doing an unreasonable amount of work per day for your life is going to work against you, not for you. It's easier to burn out and get discouraged, and then if you DO study that much and then still fail the test, it's going to be a double punch.
I talked about this in a recent discord event, but for most people, the goal in learning is to NOT GIVE UP (this is the end result of the vast majority of language learners). Giving up is so likely that if you can avoid that, you will get better simply by not giving up. Most people do not stay with a language for years and years and say "I wish I had studied more, I am not satisfied with this". Most people give up because, among other reasons, they held themselves to unreasonable expectations, could not meet those expectations, and learning became a negative experience for them.
Passing most tests (except for ones tied to, say, a job) mean nothing in and of themselves. If your goal is to get much better at Japanese, then you're goal isn't to pass the test as much as it is to use the test as a stepping stone along your journey.
That's why I don't like the JLPT and most ressources build upon or around the JLPT. I even think it's one of the main reason why people give up on japanese. Because it's a test and also because, I think it's only truly useful or meaningful for people that are going to japan soon (to work or to study in japan). Plus, there are also a lot of pedagogical problem. Like the N1 holders that struggle with basic conversation is just wrong for me. Even if people say "that JLPT focus on the writing and listening skill" or whatever, it's just wrong.
BUT if it's just a stepping stone and you can truly stay uninfluenced by the result (as well as being able to study outside of that framework), yeah, why not. Anything is fair when it come to learn a language.
Anyway, you can. And if I was in your shoes, I would study words and sentences only. Because through the sentences, you will be able to learn the kanji and the grammar too (even if you don't understand why it use like that or only understand the rough meaning). I even think, it's the best way to learn grammar. Like you learn some micro-pattern and later grammar study help you to "shape", "refine" that knowledge. But overall, rushing is not good. If it's just a stepping stone AND you don't intend to be "done" with the so-called N5 or N4 level, yeah, go for it. What I mean by that is that people often pass a exam and after that they are like "okay, I'm done with that and I never want to see or hear about that again". Because it's stressful and all that stress become associated with that "japanese learning experience". And with time, that stress is transformed into some kind of growing frustration because you may no still be able to achieve your initial goal.
But if the JLPT is really just a stepping stone, a "tool" in your language journey, why not. As long as you don't give it too much meaning. Because the JLPT exam are really about evaluating whether you're "beyond a certain level or not". Nothing more. You could be really lucky (barely pass the exam because there was only word, kanji and grammar) or really unlucky (unable to answer most question because there was too many word, kanji or grammar that you're unfamilliar with). So it's not even an accurate measure of your level or effort. Except when your already far beyond the exam.
Anyway, I talked too much x)
Good luck on your journey and not matter what you choose, I hope you won't give up and have fun learning japanese =p
頑張ってね~
Stepping aside from what everyone is saying, I would think about what you actually mean by "pass the n4", and what passing will accomplish for you.
A thought exercise - while it is technically possible to pass in that amount of time, this reminds me of I don't know how many students I taught who would cram over a short period of time, "pass" the test, but lose a huge amount of material because it hadn't really sunk into their heads (both the amount of information and the comprehension of said info).
Passing most tests (except for ones tied to, say, a job) mean nothing in and of themselves. If your goal is to get much better at Japanese, then you're goal isn't to pass the test as much as it is to use the test as a stepping stone along your journey.
If that is the case, then the realistic answer is: no, you cannot pass in that amount of time. You will most likely have one of the two occur (if you pass):
1. You forget a huge amount of the materials in the weeks/months after the test. You "passed" it, but it did not help much with your larger goal, and it may even hurt you by demotivating you.
2. You continue to study the N4 materials for a good amount of time after the test because you notice that you have a very loose grasp on it. In this scenario, you didn't really pass anything - you may have a piece of paper saying something, but you most likely will not feel it means anything until much later when you have mastery over those materials.
There's a lot of "maybe", "probably", etc. in the above, as no explanation can cover all learners. But I am going to presume that you want to keep going on with learning, and cramming or doing an unreasonable amount of work per day for your life is going to work against you, not for you. It's easier to burn out and get discouraged, and then if you DO study that much and then still fail the test, it's going to be a double punch.
I talked about this in a recent discord event, but for most people, the goal in learning is to NOT GIVE UP (this is the end result of the vast majority of language learners). Giving up is so likely that if you can avoid that, you will get better simply by not giving up. Most people do not stay with a language for years and years and say "I wish I had studied more, I am not satisfied with this". Most people give up because, among other reasons, they held themselves to unreasonable expectations, could not meet those expectations, and learning became a negative experience for them.
Actually, I agree with everything you said. learning Japanese is a passion of mine, which is why I chose it as my second language in university. However, I absolutely must pass this exam to graduate. I actually wanted to take the N5 exam, but since I couldn't find enough spots, I was forced to take the higher-level N4 exam, which is quite intimidating. If I fail this exam, I'll have to stay another year, and that will be a serious financial burden for me. Actually, I was a bit pessimistic in my first post. I can say I'm quite proficient in N5.
~50 days until Dec 7th
1500-500 = 1000 words
300-100 = 200 kanji
N5 63 + N4 137 - 20 = 180 grammar expressions
This is so doable. I would even recommend tweaking the settings to learn: 50 vocab / day, 20 kanji / day, and 20 grammar / day. Throw in some daily sentence flashcards in there too. I'd recommend increasing the total number of flashcards per session in order to build up your focus stamina and review bulk. You absolutely have to do it every single day though. Break it up into a morning and afternoon session if you have to, but those are some very doable numbers. It probably wouldn't even take two hours per day.
Also, you're going to want to be actively reading and listening to N4-level material. Find some easily digestible reading material or YouTube videos online. But you HAVE to do it every single day. Every. Single. Day.
Language learning is a practiced art as much as it as a learned science. Sure, JLPT only tests your listening and reading skills, but it will absolutely help you learn the language if you can read and understand it in the first place; and it can segue into writing and speaking skills if you apply yourself.
Remember: you have to do it every single day. Even after you pass the exam; if you want your efforts, certificate, and passion to mean anything, that is.
I agree with バッヅ regarding the schedule. The last thing you need to be doing the days before the exam is learning new material. Get it done in the next two weeks.
Yes, this is an unreasonable pace. Everyone agrees that it’s unreasonable, but it’s not impossible. You’re a college student. College students do six unreasonable things before breakfast. Go for it.
~50 days until Dec 7th
1500-500 = 1000 words
300-100 = 200 kanji
N5 63 + N4 137 - 20 = 180 grammar expressions
This is so doable. I would even recommend tweaking the settings to learn: 50 vocab / day, 20 kanji / day, and 20 grammar / day. Throw in some daily sentence flashcards in there too. I'd recommend increasing the total number of flashcards per session in order to build up your focus stamina and review bulk. You absolutely have to do it every single day though. Break it up into a morning and afternoon session if you have to, but those are some very doable numbers. It probably wouldn't even take two hours per day.
Also, you're going to want to be actively reading and listening to N4-level material. Find some easily digestible reading material or YouTube videos online. But you HAVE to do it every single day. Every. Single. Day.
Language learning is a practiced art as much as it as a learned science. Sure, JLPT only tests your listening and reading skills, but it will absolutely help you learn the language if you can read and understand it in the first place; and it can segue into writing and speaking skills if you apply yourself.
Remember: you have to do it every single day. Even after you pass the exam; if you want your efforts, certificate, and passion to mean anything, that is.
By extension this would mean that a beginner starting from scratch would find passing the JLPT N1 (which has ~10x the words and 10x the kanji, and less than 10x the grammar) "very doable" in 500 days, or less than a year and a half, while putting in less than 2h/day. I'm skeptical.
Well, the point is not really whether it's doable or a good thing to do or not anymore anyway...
One of the two main weakness of SRS (like Renshuu) is that they are unable to make good in the short term. The words are either study too soon or too late (because of random factor). In the long term, it works anyway because the prediction doesn't matter at that point.
A solution to that is to simply do some additional focus review. It will solve the problem of words that are studied too late (like words that need to be studied under 24h, 8h, etc). But at the same time, it can easily multiple your study time by 1,5 or 2. So if you overdo it, you will just burn out. You will also waste time and effort on words that are studied too soon but it will improve your retention. To do that you can do all of your daily review in the morning and then the focus review in the evening.
Another solution is to adjust the mastery manually. That the solution of algorithm like the one in Anki. Basically, you decide if a word feel too easy or too hard. But it's gamble. In the setting and quizzing section, you have a "When I answer something incorrectly" setting which have more or less the same effect. You can choose to drop the mastery to 0 or by a few levels (and solve the problem of words studied too late).
Besides that, well, writing is probably one the best way to remember words and kanjis but it's also the method that take the most time and effort. As for grammar, studying sentences is probably the most efficient imo. The basic vector in the sentence schedules don't take a lot of time and you can easily be exposed to the same grammar multiple until you somehow create some internal representation of how japanese works and make sense for you. And after, "knowing" what is a correct sentences by observing natural japanese, you can study grammar to learn how to explain why it work like or to correct your own sentences. If you have time before the exam. But before that, don't try to create your own sentences. Observe and imitate at most. Otherwise, you may develop bad habits.
And lastly, once you're done with this discussion, just forget about whether it's doable or not. Don't think about your financial situation too. Just study and rest properly. Watch something that make you really laugh or some cat video if you need too. Anything that can prevent you to think/worry about will happen later. Same when you're studying, just study and don't bother when you can't remember everything or not. That will happen but worrying about the details won't change anything except making you waste some time thinking about it.
Anyway, good luck