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compmyon
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Looks like the conjugation generation for the polite verbs ending in -aru are wrong e.g. おっしゃる:

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Negative is with ら not with わ, etc. Only forms from the are different from the usual godan paradigm. The technically can be with り too though, just that with ます it normally uses い, so might have to add both?

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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18 days ago
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compmyon
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Also related is the imperative of 呉れる/くれる being listed as くれろ instead of くれ.


Perhaps there could be, if not in the table, a note/grammar point somewhere about the よ imperative as well? Occurs with ichidan verbs and する.


i-adjectives also have an imperative form -kare, though mostly limited to set expressions, might be worth adding?

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compmyon
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And then, the mess that is the single kanji + する verbs with varying conjugations (JMDict marks it as vs-s, I'm also skeptical of some of the ones they mark vs-i). See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... and this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... which includes a few of them for most constructions.

We talked about it on Discord before but it might be better to not have charts for these, or manually make them for the more common ones with just forms known to be used. Right now, they're quite wrong e.g. 愛する:

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できる should be せる, for example.

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compmyon
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The conjugation chart for 得る/うる is also wrong. It isn't godan but rather based on the archaic nidan, which switches the root to え in most forms.

See: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki...


It also looks like some archaic verbs have conjugation charts generated for them, like 候ふ, probably not intended?

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compmyon
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The short causative-passive is missing from non-す godan verbs. Considering they're quite common, likely more common than the long form in most cases, it might be worth adding.

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マイコー
Level: 307

Fixed おっしゃる type verbs, and くれ. At the moment, I do not have time to add any new entries. Have not yet touched the other incorrect data issues that need to be fixed.

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17 days ago
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compmyon
Level: 1229

Thanks! The おっしゃる type verbs are still conjugated incorrectly though, in the volitional, passive, causative, and potential.

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17 days ago
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マイコー
Level: 307

I do not see those referenced on the wiki page - can you provide the correct conjugations for those 4 for おっしゃる?

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15 days ago
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compmyon
Level: 1229

From https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki...

Passive おっしゃられる

Causative おっしゃらせる おっしゃらす

Potential おっしゃれる

Volitional おっしゃろう

As in, the usual godan.

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15 days ago
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マイコー
Level: 307

Thanks, got those taken care of.

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マイコー
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So, looking some more at the single kanji + する forms.

Now, the vs-s binding is present in renshuu's data, so I can work off of that somehow. However, there are about 230 of them, so handling them in a case-by-case situation will be..tricky, so say the least. I think, for now, adding a note to the conjugation tables will be the best way to handle it in the short term, unless we can someone set up an excel sheet with terms down the left, and then the variant conjugations off to the right. That seems like I lot of work that I will not be able to dive into, though.

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