I'm currently studying the Beginner Kanji (N5) schedule, but I'm having so much difficulty remembering all of the different pronunciations. I started learning Japanese with Duolingo, so there are a few kanjis that I know one or two readings for, but trying to remember all of the readings feels impossible to me.
i recommend to just change to kanji helper and then for now to change your kanji setting to only teach you readings you've learned. that way when you see the kanji for 話す you'll think of the word hanasu and immediately know the reading, and when you learn a different reading for the kanji it'll get added no need to learn things you haven't seen yet imo
this way kanji and vocab enhance each other making both easier to remember :)
In Renshuu, you can turn off onyomi & kunyomi and just learn the kanji meanings. I've studied 2,800+ kanji this way and haven't run into any problems from not memorizing onyomi & kunyomi up front.
You can pick up onyomi and kunyomi naturally as you learn new vocab. A lot of vocab in Renshuu come with images, mnemonics, and audio so I find it easier to learn the readings for the words and not worry about memorizing all the onyomi and kunyomi.
I'm currently studying the Beginner Kanji (N5) schedule, but I'm having so much difficulty remembering all of the different pronunciations. I started learning Japanese with Duolingo, so there are a few kanjis that I know one or two readings for, but trying to remember all of the readings feels impossible to me.
Most of the reading that you do will have a ton of on' and kun'. So, at first renshuu would start you with introducing and making you learn one or two readings. But as you progress it will give you more readings of the same kanji. And at that time you will realize that they are similar like はなす、はなし or みる、みせる。 If you don't know which reading to learn go to dictionary > type kanji > and see
So there you can see the gradings and when to actually learn them. The most hated kanji in N5 for me is 分:
Even though they are similar I didn't forced my brain to learn all of them, because all of them are associated.
Not entirely true, wake ( meaning reason ), wakaru ( to understand ), wakareru; I also learned that it's necessary to learn based on the transitive ( wakeru ) and intransitive(wakaru). It's just that wakaru is more common.
Not entirely true, wake ( meaning reason ), wakaru ( to understand ), wakareru; I also learned that it's necessary to learn based on the transitive ( wakeru ) and intransitive(wakaru). It's just that wakaru is more common.
But those are all okurigana. You don't need to memorize okurigana because it will be right there for you to read. 分かる 分ける 分かれる 分け 分かつ in all these cases 分 is read わ. So the kanji only has one kunyomi.
But those are all okurigana. You don't need to memorize okurigana because it will be right there for you to read. 分かる 分ける 分かれる 分け 分かつ in all these cases 分 is read わ. So the kanji only has one kunyomi.
Okurigana is important to learn, because it contains the grammar rules and how to form a sentence. It tells you about how to conjuagte the verb which is one of the neccessary and main aspects about learning japanese. It tells you how to identify a transitive and an intransitive verb. Okuriguna is also important because there are same kanjis and different okurigana readings : 開ける 開く
But those are all okurigana. You don't need to memorize okurigana because it will be right there for you to read. 分かる 分ける 分かれる 分け 分かつ in all these cases 分 is read わ. So the kanji only has one kunyomi.
Okurigana is important to learn, because it contains the grammar rules and how to form a sentence. It tells you about how to conjuagte the verb which is one of the neccessary and main aspects about learning japanese. It tells you how to identify a transitive and an intransitive verb. Okuriguna is also important because there are same kanjis and different okurigana readings : 開ける 開く
I can see what you mean and it is important to keep in mind that some kanji are read differently depending on the okurigana that follows them, but I don't think 分かる 分ける 分け 分かつ should be memorized in a list as if they were different kunyomi of the 分 kanji, because they aren't; they're basically separate words, so you might as well learn them as vocab.
You also picked a bad example, because both 開ける and 開く can be ready with あ or with ひら, it depends entirely on the context. A better example would be 抱く・抱える.
If you're struggling with readings, I recommend going into your account settings under Kanji and setting this option to "No extra readings".
That setting will make it so new kanji only quiz you on the readings you've seen in your vocabulary before, so you always have some context for the reading to help you remember it. The number of readings you study will grow gradually along with your vocabulary.
For the kanji you've already studied, you can tap on whatever readings you're struggling with and uncheck the box that includes it in quizzes. You just have to remember to re-enable those readings later once you have the vocabulary to back them up.
I can see what you mean and it is important to keep in mind that some kanji are read differently depending on the okurigana that follows them, but I don't think 分かる 分ける 分け 分かつ should be memorized in a list as if they were different kunyomi of the 分 kanji, because they aren't; they're basically separate words, so you might as well learn them as vocab.
You also picked a bad example, because both 開ける and 開く can be ready with あ or with ひら, it depends entirely on the context. A better example would be 抱く・抱える.
Lol.. Words like 分かる, 分ける, 分かつ are not readings of when 分 in single. Okurigana is part of the given word, where it would in most cases define the word entirely. You are treating kanji like different readings, where in reality words need to be learned as whole. the readings you say are inflected forms of different specific verbs. Grouping them under " kun of分" would be like kinda oversimplifying.
And even if they are differents verbs, they still do share some historical relation (that you can learn to remember them more easily). In some other case, they are just "inflections" or stems. Or just variation (like including or not a okurigana). In the same time, a lot of japaneses exercises don't bother with okurigana. Generally, they just give you the okurigana and you have to remember the part inside the kanji. The main goal is to remember that part and not the meaning of each words. Those can be learned elsewhere by different means (through context, etymology if you like that, etc).
If you choose that approach, you could even end up with a better understanding of the different words (If you try to understand their etymology). At the same, it is also completely unecessary. Do it only if you like to spend hours in dictionary. Because you will spend hours for some of them. But if you "want" to consider わ as a single reading of 分, it's definitly possible. Just need a bit of extra work (and it will not only be "simple" inflections).
So either way both, view are valid. You just need to choose the way you want to learn and be aware of the problems that come with it.
so there are a few kanjis that I know one or two readings for, but trying to remember all of the readings feels impossible to me.
Yes, you are a normal human beings and it not only feels impossible, it is impossible... for now =p (unless you're a machine and in that case, please teach me how to do that ). Seriously, don't worry about that and don't make the mistake of trying to remember everything from the begining x). I got a trauma because of that while learning the 下, 上 and other before :v (and gave up on japanese at that time).
If you're struggling with the reading, just use the tips that that gillian told you. Also, in my case, I'm using that setting and I only learned primary school so far (the one with 小). And I will continue to do that until I learned all the kanji with a primary school reading. Doesn't mean that I only learned those because sometimes I learned some reading through words but that's my main focus. Even at my level. I also probably forgot a lot of basic reading because they are uncommon compared to others. But I'm completely fine with that. And from time to time, through immersion, I'm just like "Oh yeah, that kanji can be read like that" and just move on. Sometimes, I also check the dictionary and sometimes, I put some words in a schedule when I feel that I should do a bit of extra work.
So seriously, don't worry, you're doing perfectly fine for now. You don't need to do more. You can if you're feel motivated but don't do it because you feel pressured or because you feel like you're not doing enough (or are not good enough). Because that's just not true, it's just normal =p
