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Takomocha
Level: 148

I tried it a while ago, my first kanji. I saw it and said nope. However some peeked my interest like the common kanji and I want to give it another go. We have some clearing up to do though.

1. Can someone please think of a

mnemonic for Kunyomi and Onyomi? When do you use what?

2. If one of the meanings for person is hito. Then why is the word lovers kobito ? Why does it suddenly change into bi?

3. Lets stay with the kanji.

I understand some kanji have like 10 meanings but most of them are advanced level. But here there are 2 onyomi learned in primary school level. When do I know which one it is?

Kunyomi: ひと

Onyomi: ジン , ニン

4. How do you keep apart kanji that are almost the same? Like . Is it just practice or is there any skill to it?

Thanks!!


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ansair
Level: 33

1. Onyomi are generally used in kanji compounds, that is, when a word is made up of 2 or more kanji. Kunyomi are generally used when a kanji is alone or when it's mixed with hiragana. There's exceptions to this, like with everything.

2. It's a phenomenon called "rendaku". Tofugu has a good article explaining it. Look it up online.

3. It depends on the word. You just need to learn which words use じん and which words use にん. It's not as hard as it sounds.

4. It is just practice. Once your eyes are used to seeing kanji you'll be able to pay more attention to them and to the little differences in their components.

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That’s a lot of questions. Okay, here goes:

On’yomi comes from (sound). You may already know the word 五十音 (50 sounds) from learning the kana. The on’yomi approximate the sounds of the kanji from Chinese. That’s your mnemonic for on’yomi.

Kun’yomi comes from (teach). You probably don’t know any other kun-words yet, so as a mnemonic use くに instead. Kun’yomi are unique to Japanese, so they are the national (kuni) readings.

The sound transformation that turns hito into bito is called rendaku 連濁, and it happens every time two words are concatenated to form a compound. Think of it as an audible hyphen.

There really isn’t any reliable way to “know” which reading is used in a particular word (although you do develop a sense for it after a while). You just have to learn each word individually. That’s one of the fundamental challenges of learning Japanese.

The best way to develop your skills at distinguishing similar looking characters is probably to practice writing them. When you have to remember where each stroke goes and in what order, similarities seem to vanish and the differences stand out. Learning the components that make up each character helps too.

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Shamugan
Level: 561

Since other people already answered, I will just add a few things with my words.

Honnestly, you don't need know "When" to use a reading because you will always have some exception. You can learn some "rules" and it "can" help a bit but you can also pretty much ignore that completely. And just learn the words. That how most people remember it and even japaneses. I even had a japanese friend told me for a renshuu exercise that she was able tell me which reading belong to which kanji but she was unable to tell if it was Kun’yomi or On’yomi... And honestly, I don't need to be better than a native.
Well, it's not entirely true but in the same time, you will learn the most important pattern just by studying words. So really, there's no need to worry about that. I even heard a few people tell that they just deactivate the Kun’yomi/On’yomi questions on their kanji schedule because they were annoying. So you can pay attention to that but you don't need to.

As for , honestly writing is really powerful for that. I didn't write at the begining but now, it's one of my best "tool" to learn kanji. Even if it's more difficult. When you only learn how to recognise the kanji, the "shape" is enough. And when you need to recall them and write, you can't skip the detail. So it takes more effort but also yields more results =p

Anyway,
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Takomocha
Level: 148

That’s a lot of questions. Okay, here goes:

On’yomi comes from (sound). You may already know the word 五十音 (50 sounds) from learning the kana. The on’yomi approximate the sounds of the kanji from Chinese. That’s your mnemonic for on’yomi.

Kun’yomi comes from (teach). You probably don’t know any other kun-words yet, so as a mnemonic use くに instead. Kun’yomi are unique to Japanese, so they are the national (kuni) readings.

The sound transformation that turns hito into bito is called rendaku 連濁, and it happens every time two words are concatenated to form a compound. Think of it as an audible hyphen.

There really isn’t any reliable way to “know” which reading is used in a particular word (although you do develop a sense for it after a while). You just have to learn each word individually. That’s one of the fundamental challenges of learning Japanese.

The best way to develop your skills at distinguishing similar looking characters is probably to practice writing them. When you have to remember where each stroke goes and in what order, similarities seem to vanish and the differences stand out. Learning the components that make up each character helps too.


So if onyomi is from Chinese , is that why it is written in katagana because it is foreign ?

Onyomi: クン

I wanted to say that Onyomi is only with other kanji? But then I saw it written that Kunyomi also occurs if there is only 1 kanji so that a bad mnemonic kao_dejected.png

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Im trying to grasp the concept of rendaku and a crazy world opened to me kao_shiawase.png I will read into it more when I have the time.

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thanks for taking your time! (Also to the other people reacting on this!!)

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Well, kind of. Technically, the yomi predate the kana, so that can’t be true in the strictest historical sense, but those conventions didn’t come out of nowhere. Let’s say that it is true, or mostly true, because it’s too good of a story to mess up with facts.

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Pixel725
Level: 88

You can always just learn kanji in the context of vocabulary. Even if you know all of the readings for all of the kanji, there are still words with exceptions (that don’t use those readings). Not to say that knowing the readings is useless, but rather saying that you can learn them through the context of regular words. It’s much less boring, at the very least.

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