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So, last night I added the Pre-Advanced Kanji list to my schedule and, when I did, I suddenly had about a 100 reviews in my Beginner word schedule and 80 or so in my Pre-intermediate word schedule, which were previously cleared. Upon looking into it, it seems the mastery of many words which were level 8+ have suddenly dropped to zero and I now have no progress on meanings, etc at all? I don’t mind studying these again, but it’s kind of a lot all at once. Anything I can do beyond manually changing the mastery back?
By default, mastery is per-vector. You've been studying Meaning -> Kana and Kana -> Meaning, but once you've studied a kanji, words that use that kanji switch to Meaning -> Kanji and Kani- Meaning vectors, as well as adding Kanji -> Kana to your schedule. And those vectors start from zero.
I think I understand what you’re saying. When studying new kanji, I do typically start to get quizzed on the words I know using the new kanji and that is all fine and normal. But these weren’t quizzing kanji. Pretty much all of them were being quizzed using Hiragana, not Kanji, and the overall mastery dropped to zero with no progress on anything? I had not actually started studying any new Kanji when this happened. I had just added the schedule and then Meaning -> Kana and Kana -> Meaning all dropped to zero on the terms in question, and I’m not sure that’s normal?
I have a suspicion as to what happened, but if you can provide some specific examples of terms (and screenshots of the mastery levels), that would help a lot with proceeding with the issue. My guess (and based on knowing of all the issues that have popped up in the past), it is not a bug, but perhaps a misunderstanding (or lack of explanation on renshuu's part).
Sure! Will attach some screenshots of a few of the words (there were quite a few that this happened to). To clarify, this happened as soon as the new schedule (Pre-Advanced Kanji (N2)) was added, no new kanjis studied. I had all schedules cleared for the day and added the new one and suddenly there were over 100 reviews for Beginner which were at mastery zero for meanings, as well as in 50 or so in the Pre-Intermediate words schedule.
I will also add that I had signed up for Pro the same day and had been playing around a bit with schedules, so not sure if that was a factor?
The mastery levels have gone up a bit as I have cleared the schedule twice since this happened. I have included one of 戻る as well, which is an example of what I would expect from a recently-learned kanji vs what I am seeing with these.
If it’s a misunderstanding on my part, then I guess that’s fine, too! I’ll just have to work to get those reviews settled down before adding anything new. It will be a good refresher.
I won't be able to look into it beyond this until next week, but here's my guess:
It looks like you changed your study vectors. Perhaps, you originally had Japanese > Meaning (for example), which would select either Kanji > meaning or Kana > meaning, depending on if the kanji was present.
Now, though, I see Kana > Meaning appearing for terms with kanji, making me think that maybe that vector was unchecked, and the inner vectors (kana > meaning) were explicitly activated regardless of kanji knowledge.
Could this be what happened?
This may be what happened? I was very hesitant to mess with it too much and didn’t want to throw off what I had already done. I was interested in adding the listening questions, got the warning not to have too many vectors when attempting to add it and considered removing one of the other ones but decided I didn’t want to remove what I already had. I’m not sure if I ever hit save or changed anything. If I did, I would have changed right back immediately because I ended up deciding I didn’t want to make any changes for now.
Can you show me a screenshot of the "currently studying" options you have for that schedule?
It’s the same across the board for all of my schedules, and I believe words in both Beginner and Pre-Intermediate lists were affected. Haven’t quite figured out why some words were affected and others weren’t. I’ve partly solved the issue by setting it so that it always shows kanji for kana -> meaning (it’s just now showing furigana for kanji I know), but no kanji shows for the affected words when doing meaning -> kana nor is there any progress for kanji -> kana.
Thanks again, and sorry for all the back and forth! Try this for me. At the top of your dashboard, there is a "my japanese" string of text, with a number next to (or perhaps below) it. Tap that, and then go to words. This is a list of all words you have studied on renshuu, regardless of where you studied them.
Just for 2-3 of the vocab terms you screenshotted above, look them up in there, make sure the box has all the individual mastery levels visible, and take screenshots. I have another suspicion as to what happened, but I'll need that info.
No problem, I don’t mind! Here they are:
立派 surprises me because it looks like all the mastery levels showing up, yet it seemed to be affected by this issue.
Alright, so this is my guess based on everything I've seen so far. I may be repeating stuff I mentioned in earlier comments, but it looks like you had a lot of terms which had known kanji for them. For example, it's my guess that you were previously studying 切る using kanji-based questions. There, you built up a good amount of mastery.
Somehow, you (or perhaps a bug in renshuu) did something that adjusted the known kanji that you had backwards: that is, 切 went from known to unknown. This caused those kanji vectors to "disappear", and the mastery level seemed to have disappeared along with it.
I did take a look at your mastery data for 切る, and indeed, your kanji->definition and definition->kanji mastery levels are high, supporting this.
I also checked 切, and it is indeed marked as unknown.
By chance, did you adjust the setting that is under Vocabulary, this one?
If you had it set to the far-right (like I do), it would treat all kanji as known, even if you hadn't explicitly set that kanji to it. If you then changed it off of that to one of the other two options, any kanji that you hadn't studied would "disappear" from the words, making the kanji vectors unstudyable for the time being.
I have that setting to the furigana. I may have poked at that (not sure if it was before or after trying to figure out the issue). I’m not sure what it was at by default, but I have it set to the furigana option. Should it be changed?
I also have another setting that I think could be involved now that we are looking in this section: the slider in for kanji you knew before learning Renshuu: I might have done something there when attempting to customize since I have worked with several textbooks. Could that have done it? It’s set like this, which is what it was when I joined (but I’m thinking it’s possible I moved it/moved it back to an slightly different position and then saved some other settings?):
Scratch that whole last part. I changed the setting you mentioned and started a couple reviews and I think it may have fixed the issue. lol. I’ll update as I go through them today.
I think it was the kanji slider. Changing the setting you suggested did work, but I was starting to get quizzed on kanji I hadn’t studied yet in vocab quizzes (not the worst problem). I tried unchecking “study kanji I’ve learned outside of Renshuu” and it didn’t seem to affect anything (words still had wonky total mastery), so I moved the Kanji I knew before Renshuu slider more toward advanced and now everything seems to be mostly as it was.
If I notice any other issues, I’ll let you know, but that seems to have done the trick. Thank you for your help and patience with me!