This thread is for discussing the late spring/early summer rebuild of renshuu's kanji learning systems. It will not replace what we have, but add new ways for learning.

**Current System**

1. The introduction of kanji and vocabulary are not dependent on one another - they both proceed separately.2. With the experimental system for kanji reading filters, you can choose between readings that are renshuu recommended, elementary (school) level, middle, high school, or all.3. In addition, any readings that you learn through vocabulary are added if the kanji is already in a schedule.
The below is currently a proposal, and I'd like feedback on how this would work for you. Essentially, there will be three ways of learning (up from the current one)

A. "Classic" mode (mostly same as current)

In this mode, kanji and vocabulary schedules proceed separately. This is the same as above.

However, you'll also be able to select "vocab readings only" for your kanji filter. With this system, renshuu will not recommend any readings, no matter how common they are. In other words, if you start a kanji schedule and you have not studied any words with those kanji in them, onyomi/kunyomi questions will be unavailable for those kanji.
Instead, any vocabulary you learn will add their kanji readings into your kanji data, so you *only* learn readings in vocabulary you study. Of course, any readings you manually mark as known will also appear.

B. Vocab -> Kanji mode

In this new mode, a kanji schedule will be attached to one or more vocabulary schedules. You cannot add lists to it yourself, but you can add individual kanji via the + button (like usual).Instead, all kanji that appears in words will automatically get added to your kanji schedule.

So if you studied the word 今日 for the first time, it would add those two kanji into your kanji schedule. The readings that you'd study would be determined by the kanji reading filter mentioned above.

C. Kanji -> Vocab mode

In this new mode, you can make a helper vocab schedule that is attached to your kanji schedule. Consider the kanji schedule as your "main" schedule.
As you learn kanji, a certain number of vocabulary will be added to your vocab schedule automatically. The vocab added will be determined by a number of settings, including (but not limited to)

1. JLPT Level

2. # of words per reading

So for example, your settings may say "add up to 3 words for each reading (again, limited by kanji reading filter), drawn from all JLPT words", or it may say "add 5 most common jlpt words that use this kanji"
(I am particularly interested in what other conditions you'd like to attach to this system)

Now, while each of these systems is relatively simple, making all three available to users (while keeping the interface from getting too complicated) will be tricky.

I would like to hear your thoughts on these ideas, criticisms, requests, etc.

Note: This thread is ONLY for discussing the above proposals, or anything related to kanji readings and/or how renshuu associates your kanji and words with one another.

I would go for option A simply because I like to manually sort the kanji I study into JLPT mastery level schedules. I am interested in some kind of setting that only adds new kanji that are outside of your schedules to a lesson. E.g. if my N5 schedule has 日 and I study 今日, it won't automatically add 日 to the new kanji schedule. However, if I study something odd like 鰯 and it isn't in any of my schedules, it will automatically add it to the new kanji schedule so I can study it later. (I hope this makes sense, I can clarify some things if necessary.) Option C also sounds nice and I will probably enable it when I start reviewing kunyomi/onyomi readings for kanji.

b would be great ty

I'd use B.

Implementing B would be very awesome, although I think it should be flexible in some way.

For example, I do not want to have all vocab linked, so there should be an option to link kanji if I added new words to the schedule.

Thanks!

This is really exciting and I'm really looking forward to these new study methods!

1. Request

I've been doing <B> manually, but I've been doing it for mastery levels instead of vocab lists. So if a word reaches mastery level 9, I add any unknown kanji it uses to a kanji schedule. Would it be possible to have this happen automatically? Add kanji from words that have reached mastery level X?

2. Question
If I attach a kanji schedule to a vocab schedule that I've already finished learning and has no new words, what order will the kanji appear on that list? What I think would be useful is if the kanji would appear in the order of frequency. So that I learn the kanji that is used in the most words first, and kanji that is used the least last.

3. Concern
I hope this will also include kanji that is used for words that are frequently written in kana, if we have the setting to turn on kanji for those words on.

4. Request

I would be very excited for <C> if it had options to draw from a frequency list outside of the JLPT list for those who have already finished going through the JLPT decks or those who are not studying the JLPT.

Nothing is set in stone yet, of course, but at least from the get go, both B and C will most likely *not* be possible for already existing schedules (at least, not the secondary schedule). So if you've got a kanji schedule and you want to auto-populate a vocab schedule, that vocab schedule will need to be new something like 'add a vocab helper schedule to this'. Applying these new systems on top of existing schedules will be a nightmare, as both B and C completely control the contents of the secondary (helper) schedules, so it would not make a lot of sense to also have "adjust materials", ability to add/remove lists, etc.

My vision of this has it so that it is this:

1. All known (studied at least once) kanji will have vocabulary populated in the helper schedule, based on settings

and not

2. Kanji will only populate the vocabulary schedule populated when the kanji is learned the first time.

Additionally, while it may be a setting to only add vocabulary that you haven't studied, I think that setting will backfire for a lot of users - it may force overly rare (and unused) words into the schedule because the most common words have already been learned.

I'll try to add as many options without it becoming cumbersome.

Nothing will be forced or automatically changed :)